Posts by moggy lover

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Is it Really a Worldwide Work???

by jakeyen in

from 2010 service year.

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moggy lover

Much of the published statistics are elaborate shams designed more to impress than convey intelligent data. As jakeyen has pointed out, Bangldesh, Pakistan and India are a case in point.

There are just three congregations in Bangldesh all made up of former Christians from different denominations, usually Roman Catholic, and all in the capital city Dhaka. There has been no penetration whatever into the vaster, rural Muslim population. For them the Watchtower is as mysterious as the man in the moon.

Pakistan is just the same, with 18 congregations, again all urban, Christianized and comfortable middle-class.

India is probably slightly better but again with a high preponderance of former Christians in the Watchtower fellowship. When I was there in the early 70s there was not a single Watchtower follower who was not from a non-Christian background. [Again mostly Roman Catholic]. There was a former Sikh, back in the 60s, who became a Watchtower follower, but this was only because he fell in love with and subsequently married a missionary girl.

Even in those relatively well off countries where the Watchtower operates, one could question the effectiveness of their evangelistic work. I challenge any Watchtower follower to line up a sampling of the general public on any street corner in London, Montreal, Sydney, Tokyo, and even in the Watchtower's own backyard, New York, and ask a simple question:

What do the words "Jehovah's Witnesses" mean to you?

The answers you will get will range from:

Are they a new rock group? Aren't they the ones who discovered golden plates or something? Are they the guys who kill their babies by prohibiting blood transfusions? and so on. Anyone who says "They are the only ones preaching God's kingdom"! can be shown to be a Watchtower follower anyway, which is statiscally possible, given a random sampling.

It is truly sad that after 131 years of frantic effort, this is all they have to show for it.

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Amazing transformation- Slave to Master

by stuckinamovement in

i was looking at another thread and began thinking..... isn't it amazing that the "slave" has put itself in the place of the "master" ?

anyway you look at it, the organization has taken matt.

24:45-47 and twisted it beyond recognition.. witnesses have become slaves of the "slave class" and not of the master.

moggy lover

The trick is to call oneself a slave without in reality being servile. To be the undisputed master without being seen to be so. Like an invisible octopus, to be everywhere and nowhere simultaneously.

Can this be done? Hitler showed us how to do this years ago. Propaganda, mate, that's the way to go.

Watchtower literature, which is the propagandizing instrument used by the "slave," is virtually unintelligible to the average, objective, reader. This is particularly so when one is unacquainted with the semantic distinctivenesss that is so deliberately strewn throughout the pages of such writings.

A skillful blend of the truthful and the extravagant, its balance is weighted in favour of the Watchtower leadership. It is never biblical exposition that establishes the leadership credentials of the "slave" but rather an eccentric interpretation of a little known verse of text. This, coupled with disingenuous argumentation and monotonous and repetetitive temporizing, creates the perfect atmosphere in which to entrench such otherwise unacceptable beliefs.

And the rank and file must really love it, else they would have revolted years ago, when the first examples of Watchtower duplicity became apparent. In fact the literature is intentionally designed, not to enlighten, but to obfuscate, with such literary devises as innovative improvisation and creative dogmatism.

Being soporific, especially on a warm Sunday afternoon, this literature creates a comfortable sense of repose without actually demanding too much intellectual exertion. The polished cordiality, and the feigned interest this "slave" supposedly shows for the fellowship, in fact solicits an attitudinal response where attendance at the interminable meetings becomes required.

Thus, if the "slave" has usurped an authority that is not his to possess in the first place, it has been accomlplished with the passive connivance of the rank and file.

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If The Watchtower discourages Greek language study, why did they publish the KIT?

by VM44 in

if the watchtower discourages the study of biblical languages, then why did they publish twice, in 1969 and 1985. the kingdom interlinear translation of the greek scriptures?.

would this not actually encourage the study of the greek language?.

moggy lover

Actually I do remember that Nicholas Kip article. It was something about "How knowing Greek helped me fall in love with the NWT" or whatever.

Whatever happened to the guy? Anybody know? I was told that he had problem s with the Watchtower leadership and left.

Anybody know more?

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am'haaretz anyone know of a Watchtower reference?

by moggy lover in

several years ago, probably about the 1980s, i recall reading a reference to the term "am-haaretz" [literally "people of the earth/land" a 1c ad jewish term used by the pharisees as a pejorative to refer to rustic, peasant people] in the watchtower magazine in association with how watchtower followers were to treat disfellowshipped ones.. can anyone recall this and find this reference, or am i dreaming it all up?.

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moggy lover

Thanks JWF, Mattieu and possible-san for the input. It has ben invaluable in my research.

Guess my memory ain't what it used to be!

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am'haaretz anyone know of a Watchtower reference?

by moggy lover in

several years ago, probably about the 1980s, i recall reading a reference to the term "am-haaretz" [literally "people of the earth/land" a 1c ad jewish term used by the pharisees as a pejorative to refer to rustic, peasant people] in the watchtower magazine in association with how watchtower followers were to treat disfellowshipped ones.. can anyone recall this and find this reference, or am i dreaming it all up?.

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moggy lover

Several years ago, probably about the 1980s, I recall reading a reference to the term "am-haaretz" [literally "people of the earth/land" a 1C AD Jewish term used by the Pharisees as a pejorative to refer to rustic, peasant people] in the Watchtower magazine in association with how Watchtower followers were to treat disfellowshipped ones.

Can anyone recall this and find this reference, or am I dreaming it all up?

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...Watchtower World..A place where "Stupid is Better!"...

by OUTLAW in

"watchtower world"... "a place where "stupid is better!"...

the wbt$ is always doing something stupid..from the begining of the wbt$ to this very day... stupid is on the menu,in watchtower world... .

it never ends..there is always something stupid happening within the wbt$... these are bethel one liners..bethelites have posted on jwd/jwn... that i have collected over time... .

moggy lover

Yeah, verily, Blessed are they who go round and round in endless circles

for they shall be called

BIG WHEELS

15

1966 Kingdom Ministry PDF!

by cabasilas in

system of things.

new system of things.

we are living in a system of.

moggy lover

Good Work!! Thanks a zillion

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DAD TURNS DOWN A JOB AT DIGITAL COMPUTERS IN 1974

by Hairyhegoat in

my dad was in the army and came into the truth in 1968. the family was split up because dad was a piss head and mom was a axe murderer.. not a good start to bringing up 2 kids at the time.

his brother was offering him a job as a programmer at diigtal computers in 1974. my dad told his brother to go away and stop offering him these jobs as the end was coming in 1975!!

if my dad had took the job in 1974 our family would be millioners now like his brother and his kids.

moggy lover

OOPs. "shdow of anonymity" in paragraph 4 should of course be "shadow of anonymity".

My kingdom for an editing capability!

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DAD TURNS DOWN A JOB AT DIGITAL COMPUTERS IN 1974

by Hairyhegoat in

my dad was in the army and came into the truth in 1968. the family was split up because dad was a piss head and mom was a axe murderer.. not a good start to bringing up 2 kids at the time.

his brother was offering him a job as a programmer at diigtal computers in 1974. my dad told his brother to go away and stop offering him these jobs as the end was coming in 1975!!

if my dad had took the job in 1974 our family would be millioners now like his brother and his kids.

moggy lover

I can't honestly see any icon here that enables me to either edit or check my posts for the spelling.

But, anyway, talking about 1974, it is true that the suppressed hysteria engendered by the Watchtower, has been responsible for many a twist for the worst in people's lives. Mine included. I was 22, in the bloom of youth, and, with the clear connivance of the Watchtower leadership, mesmerized by my own arrogance.

I believed. That was the problem. It was an irrational, blind conviction, supposedly based on the "trustworthy" chronology of the Bible. It took me a while to discover, when the dust began to settle after the 1975 fiasco, that such absolute devotion to a bunch of impious men was not unique to the Watchtower leadership. These men, unencumbered by spiritual values, and whose only sustenance was self-interest, were merely an extension of similar techniques used by others who impose their bigotries on an unsuspecting following. Some of these monuments to institutionalized piety, like the Armstrong abberation, have dissolved into dust.

To the men of the Watchtower, who hide like knaves behind a shdow of anonymity, the Bible becomes merely a tool to effect their authority. Their doctrinal absolutes come, not from a systematic study of the Bible and its contents, but through an idiosyncratic interpretation of it. An interpretation that disregards even the most fundamental implements of investigation. Thus, to these selfish and arrogant men, the Bible, becomes, like a pliant whore, a provision to say whatever it is the Watchtower leadership wants it to say.

The tragedy is that the bitch that sired such misapplied expectations is on heat again. In the manipulative hands of the successors to that 1975 leadership, a new breed of leaders, equally avaricious in their grasp over the hearts and minds of their followers, is setting about to convince another generation of innocents in the supposed "trustworthiness of Bible chronology".

This cycle of mindless exploitation will continue until every last vestige of Watchtower hypocrisy is expunged from the face of the earth. I believe that forums such as this are playing a major part in just such a conclusion.

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Where is the Writing Department?

by moggy lover in

with the printing facilities for the magazines having been moved to canada, can anyone tell me where the writing department is now located?.

still in brooklyn?.

in patterson?.

moggy lover

Thanks, FF, Moshe, Pirata, Erreve and Heaven for the comments.

Its nice to keep abreast of the new moves going on.